Brian Goudie and Andrew Drummond - The internet trolls are at it again!!~

20th December 2014

Just when you thought it was safe to go back on Blogger!

Many of my close friends know that myself and two other friends, David Hanks and Drew Noyes have for the last two years been subjected to an incredible campaign of #cyberharassment and #cybermobbing.

The #cyberharassment continues...........................................

It all started when a blogger in Bangkok, his name is Andrew Drummond. started writing 'news'.

The 'news' was always a specific version of events, always inaccurate and as soon as I filed Court cases, the 'news' turned into a venomous and malicious campaign of #cyberharassment and #cybermobbing.

The 'news' then became a pathetic campaign of repeating the same old drivel, over and over and over again.

Andrew Drummond - Convicted Criminal

Andrew Drummond has since been convicted in criminal court twice this year - but has that stopped him? No.

What then started was that photographs would be electronically altered and posted by Drummond, showing me in gay parades, dressed in a baby nappy - really, how pathetic is that? He is now in Court facing criminal charges, but of course he failed to show at his last two Court dates.

Yup, big and brave on your web site, but too scared to turn up in Court and face the music.

So then I started fighting back, and guess what? The low life scumbag trolls are back, and the comments are coming thick and fast!

After it was reported that my friend and I #DavidHanks filed a cyber harassment case against Google it has started again!

Many thanks today to +Spinosa +knutsa01 +Ally +samthai +theweapon +jules +tommyweapon +tommythruthsearcher + Spinosaj without whom my case against Google would not be possible - and guess what a subpoena to get your identifying information is now on it's way to Bangkok Central Criminal Court - just sit back and wait for the knock on the door :).

All the same old rubbish, photoshop photos, fake profiles and anonymous comments.

The internet tough guys are back!

As reported here my friend #David Hanks and I have filed court proceedings against Google - Google are being prosecuted as a 'service provider', for allowing third parties to post unlawful material, and failing to remove it when notified - this is a criminal offence in Thailand under Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act - in fact internet harassment  is a criminal offence in most countries.

I have read a lot about #cyberharassment, and there is only one area that I disagree with most of the material I have read - whilst I agree that most trolls are either mentally ill or just evil malicious retards, if it ever comes to real physical comfrontation, dont be too concerned. I have been threatened a number of times, and have been told they will see me when I go to a particular place - I have been threatened with this several times - a particularly nasty troll was +samthai, but his threats all turned out to be hot air.

I actually cornered one of my troll enemies one time after Court, and when I went after him, he locked himself in his car and would not come out - a hero on the internet, but a coward when cornered - and he aint seen nothing yet. This strategy worked for me, but obviously others should carry out a clear risk assessment first.

In the last few days, since  I started posting about trolls, it seems I have created a feeding frenzy, and they are back in force.

Well, not in force, there are we estimate 3 or 4 people with about 3 fake profiles each, and I am getting 4 or 5 comments a day.

 And yes, they are still pathetic.

UK Newspaper deletes Andrew Drummond story.

UK journalist Andrew Drummond withdrewa story from his web site today, and a major UK newspaper has done the same!

'The Scottish Sunday Mail' has deleted a Drummond article previously published in July  2014 -  but apparently deleted the web article following a Press Complaints Commission investigation commencing.

Drummond is a convicted crininal after being convicted in Pattaya Provincial Court in February 2014, and will face at least five criminal trials in 2015, with a number of new cases at filing stage.

Drummond  faces trial in at least 5 criminal cases that compise 23 separate charges that have already been accepted under Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act.

The Sunday Mail has now mysteriously deleted the article in question following myself and David Hanks lodging a complaint with the UK Press Complaints Commission - and under  threat of both civil and criminal cases.

In the complaint, David and myself described the article as a 'complete fabrication'.

On his own site, Drummond had earlier this week posted an article that a Computer Crimes Act case brought by David Hanks had been dismisssed, when in fact Drummond had been ordered to surrender to Koh Samui Provincial Court on November 13th to answer and indictment and post bail. 

The article was quickly deleted after an article was posted on this blog describing the article as 'utter drivel'.

Drummond has now retracted the article admitting the case is going forward.

So, exposed in a blatant lie on his blog, a UK newspaper deletes an article, several complaints to the Press Complaints Commission and five criminal cases pending - doing well Andrew!

Andrew Drummond - a blatant lie exposed!

Andrew Drummond - lied about result of case.

I nearly choked on my coffee latte today when my good friend David Hanks rang me up to tell me Andrew Drummond, the Bangkok based journalist, had written on his blog that that the case David had taken against Drummond had been dismissed!

Now for those of us who live in the real world, in the case of David John Hanks v Andrew Drummond (case number 1246/2556) Drummond was last week confirmed as being committed to trial over an article in 'The Scottish Sun' published last year - and was ordered to surrender to bail on November 13th 2014 at 0900hrs.

The Hanks case has been listed at the same time as two cases brought by my good self (number 1269/2556 and 1826/2556) and Drummond has to pay bail in all three cases at the same time.

Just so there is no confusion, Drummond on that day will be indicted on 14 charges under the Computer Crimes Act and related defamation charges. His bail will be substantial.

Following a failure to appear on October 13th Drummonds lawyers were told that November 13th was D-Day - be there or an arrest warrant will be issued!

Now over on Planet Drummond, a case in which Drummond has already been summonsed to appear in has been dismissed? What a load of tripe! A blatant lie and so easy to expose. Absolute fiction!

So Andrew Drummond - you are a shameless liar and I cant wait to see that smug smile wiped off your face on November 13th - would not miss it for the world.

And if I am wrong then this article makes false statements - you can sue me but you will lose again!

I am sure some of Drummonds feeble minded minions might believe the drivel this man writes but if any of them are in any doubt all they have to do is call Koh Samui Court and ask for the status of case number 1246/2556.

And Drummond wonders why he has been committed to trial in five cases in a row?

So take a break from writing your drivel Andrew and start getting your bail money ready for the THREE cases you face on  November 13th.

Actually - even better, dont turn up. It would be wonderful to get an arrest warrant in THREE cases and then we could come and get you!

David Hanks and Brian Goudie - first it was Google for allowing cyber harassment - now it is Bing, Yahoo and Facebook!

Well I have been deliberately posting on this blog recently and watching as the anonymous internet trolls post comments.

These people hide behind internet profiles with made up names such as Tommy Truthsearcher, Jules, Sam Kane, Ally, Sam Thai, The Weapon - all spend all their time making comments and threats from the comfort of their internet connections.

Fake Facebook profiles, fake Wordpress blogs, fake Blogger sites, fake Google Plus profiles - the lot!

It comes under the umbrella name of 'internet harrassment' or #cyber harrassment. In fact as of today we have put #Bing, #Yahoo and #Facebook on notice that they will be prosecuted for fake profiles!

#cyberharassment is a criminal offence in most countries, but difficult to identify offenders, although there is a case in Ottawa, Canada  that has just been solved that went on for 12 years.

Easy to make threats when you are anonymous isnt it? But, last week my friend #DavidHanks and I filed a case against Google, and our lawyers have now contacted #Google in Bangkok - the internet giant is expected to consent to a Court subpoena being issued for Google to provide all possible identifying information to help us track down the bloggers who are now using fake profiles and fake name.

Technical experts say that even if the bloggers are using VPN technology we should be able to identify originating IP addresses. If we can get an IP address, we will then subpoena internet service providers - to cut the technical talk basically we are going to locate these people and prosecute them.

Now ask the question - why do they use fake untraceable accounts with fake photoshopped profile photos?

There are two reasons, firstly they are low life cowardly scum bags who would never challenge face to face, and secondly they know if they can be identified we will prosecute them under Thailand's Computer Crimes Act.

The ones who hide behind fake names, you can decide - low life cowards not man enough to use real names, or credible commenters.

Brian Goudie and Cyber Harassment - The trolls are back again!

Bangkok, 4th August 2014

Just when you thought it was safe to go back on Blogger!

The #cyberharassment continues...........................................

The low life scumbag trolls are back, and the comments are coming thick and fast!

After it was reported that my friend and I #DavidHanks filed a cyber harassment case against Google it has started again!

Many thanks today to +Spinosa +knutsa01 +Ally +samthai +theweapon +jules +tommyweapon +tommythruthsearcher + Spinosaj without whom my case against Google would not be possible - and guess what a subpoena to get your identifying information is now on it's way to Bangkok Central Criminal Court - just sit back and wait for the knock on the door :).

All the same old rubbish, photoshop photos, fake profiles and anonymous comments.

The internet tough guys are back!

As reported here my friend #David Hanks and I have filed court proceedings against Google - Google are being prosecuted as a 'service provider', for allowing third parties to post unlawful material, and failing to remove it when notified - this is a criminal offence in Thailand under Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act - in fact internet harassment  is a criminal offence in most countries.

I have read a lot about #cyberharassment, and there is only one area that I disagree with most of the material I have read - whilst I agree that most trolls are either mentally ill or just evil malicious retards, if it ever comes to real physical comfrontation, dont be too concerned. I have been threatened a number of times, and have been told they will see me when I go to a particular place - I have been threatened with this several times - a particularly nasty troll was +samthai, but his threats all turned out to be hot air.

I actually cornered one of my troll enemies one time after Court, and when I went after him, he locked himself in his car and would not come out - a hero on the internet, but a coward when cornered - and he aint seen nothing yet. This strategy worked for me, but obviously others should carry out a clear risk assessment first.

In the last few days, since  I started posting about trolls, it seems I have created a feeding frenzy, and they are back in force.

Well, not in force, there are we estimate 3 or 4 people with about 3 fake profiles each, and I am getting 4 or 5 comments a day.

 And yes, they are still pathetic.

Brian Goudie and David Hanks - more cyber harassment cases to be filed.

Bangkok, 4th August 2014

Last week my good friend #DavidHanks and I filed a case against Google in Bangkok Central Criminal Court - more will be filed in the next few weeks.

David Hanks

The cases indirectly involve a journalist working in Bangkok, Andrew Drummond, who was already convicted in Pattaya Provincial Criminal Court earlier this year on related charges.

Our case (s)  allege that a large amount of false material and 'photoshopped' images now appear in search results, and that a number of fake 'profiles' have sprung up, and that there has been an incessant campaign of #cyberharassment that has now continued for nearly two years - we believe this is being carried out by a maximum of around 4 or 5 individuals.



We have already positively identified four of the individuals, and criminal cases have been filed against two of them already - in fact I am writing this blog just before I head off to Koh Samui Court for a case today. Two new cases are being filed within the next two weeks against two other individuals who we now have details for.

Our lawyers have now also contacted #Google, and the internet giant is expected to consent to a Court subpoena being issued for Google to provide all possible identifying information to help us track down the bloggers who are now using fake profiles and fake names - technical experts say that even if they are using VPN technology we should be able to identify originating IP addresses. If we can get an IP address, we will then subpoena internet service providers - to cut the technical talk basically we are going to locate these people and prosecute them.

#cyberharassment is extremely difficult to prosecute due to the anonymity of the internet, but this case in Ottawa, Canada shows it can be done.

Following the first case being filed against Google, our lawyers have now put #Bing, #Yahoo and #Facebook on notice that they are next - there are now dozens of fake images, fake profiles and fake blogs throughout the internet, and we have received hundreds of harassing emails and messages, including threats of violence.

There have even been disgusting comments that involve my three year old daughter - and her mother has now also filed a criminal case to prosecute the culprit - that's right, a three year old being forced to file a criminal case to prevent #cyberharassment - that is how low these people are.

The #cyberharassment has now become so serious that the Serious Crime Squad in Victoria, Australia is laising with the Australian Federal Police and the Cyber Crimes Unit to attempt to track down an individual believed to be in Australia who is allegedly responsible for the photoshops.

#BrianGoudie with David Hanks and our lawyer Nattawat Damnaphoen at Koh Samui Court.

UK police are also now involved following harassment of my family in the UK, and charges are expected under the UK Prevention of Harassment Act  (the web site at the centre of the controversy is registered in the UK).

This is the link to the story about the filing against Google.

Brian Goudie - The Psychology of Internet Trolls

Brian Goudie

My name is Brian Goudie, I work in Thailand, and I have decided to break my silence and start a 'name and shame' campaign - and I hope the people that I name will try to sue me, as I have a carefully documented dossier of evidence that has been painstakingly assembled to record every, post, comment and email - the file is massive!

You may ask, all of this data has been recorded for what purpose?  The answer is simple - criminal actions under Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act, and potentially future proceedings in the UK under the Prevention of Harassment Act.

The main site at the centre of the campaign has a whois address in the UK, and UK law requires us to show there was a 'course of conduct' involving more than two instances of harassment - in my case therenare hundreds.

Internet harassment has been around for many years, but as use of the internet has grown, the number of people affected has grown considerably.

In 2007, The International Journal on Cyber Crimes published a report on  internet harassment.

Theories of why internet harassment range from trolls suffering from mental illnesses, to outright malice - every case is different.

I am not alone in being harassed, the same trolls are subjecting my good friend David Hanks to the same treatment.

David  and I have had articles posted on the internet by a journalist, Andrew Drummond,  then swathes of disgraceful comments are made by anonymous posters.

These anonymous posters hide behind internet profiles with made up names such as Tommy Truthsearcher, Jules, Sam Kane, Ally, Sam Thai, The Weapon, Knutsa01 - all spend all their time making comments and threats from the comfort of their anonymous internet connections.

Fake Facebook profiles, fake Wordpress blogs, fake Blogger sites, fake Google Plus profiles - we have seen it all.

It comes under the umbrella name of 'internet harrassment' or 'cyber harrassment'.
It is a criminal offence in most countries, but difficult to identify offenders.

Now ask the question - why do they use fake untraceable accounts with fake photoshopped profile photos?

There are two reasons, firstly they in my view pathetic are low life cowardly scum bags who would never challenge face to face, and secondly they know if they can be identified we will prosecute them under Thailand's Computer Crimes Act.

Mow taking on an internet giant like Google will never be easy, but we have instructed our lawyers to do just that - the first hearing in the case will be in July 2014.

There are a number of people who now bave  cases against Google, and there is a great wealth of tips out there on strategies for suing Google.

People like Michael Roberts of Rexxfield and Dr. Janice Duffy have already filed cases against Google and Yahoo.

Dr. Duffy's case and Michael Robert's case was reported in the Sydney Morning Herald. Roberts court filings claimthat venomous accusations that appeared on the website, which he claims were made by his ex-wife, destroyed his business and have caused years of emotional distress. The claims — ranging from domestic abuse and tax evasion to extortion, blackmail and fraud — are still littered across the net for anyone to see.

David and I are suing for Google search results, and also a number of posts on Blogger.

Blogger

I dont know why, but claims of fraud, extortion, blackmail, tax evasion, raceketeering, money laundering, mafia connections, domestic abuse, paedophilia, sexual deviance, rape, drug abuse, and the use of words such as rapist, thief, liar, deviant, parasite, pimp, enforcer, mafia, mobster, snitch, rat, etc all seem to feature large in the vocabulary of your average internet troll.

But David and I have decided to fight back - we have instructed our lawyers to file dozens of criminal charges against Google Inc and Google Thailand, as the owners of Blogger. The case will be filed in Bangkok Central Criminal Court.

Google are to be prosecuted as a 'service provider' for a wide range of criminal offences, including providing internet services to third parties posting defamation, harassment, threats and use of fake photoshopped images.

Under Thai law, a 'service provider' can be held criminally liable for allowing third parties to post unlawful material, and failing to remove it when notified - this is a criminal offence in Thailand under T section 15 of Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act - in fact it is a criminal offence in most countries.

Larry Page of Google

We have also instructed our lawyers to file charges against Google founders and directors Larry Page and Sergey Binn personally.

Sergey Binn of Google

One of the main issues in the case is the ease with which Google allows fake profiles to be used to set up hate blogs.

Google and Blogger are protected to some degree in the US from defamation suits, but there is no protection from internet harassment, 47 U.S. Code § 223, makes it justiciable if a service provider allows internet harassment to continue.

Google have already lose defamation cases in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, France and Germany - and just last week in the European Court of Justice in the 'right to be forgotten case'.

David and I are realistic, and we know that we are taking on Google, an internet behemoth, but we have no choice - we must fight back.

We are extremely fortunate to have been offered assistance by a well know 'internet consultant' who has had running battles with Google for some time, and his involvement will be announced later in the month as the proceedings start to move.

The proceedings in Thailand are just the start, tandem proceedings are expected in the US, UK and Australia - we are going to be busy.

Incidentally, the journalist has made a comment that I am using the images of Sergey Binn and Larry Page in breach of copyright laws - pot calling the kettle black as he copies images from Facebook, Google Plus and Flickr and uses them without permission.

David and I of course would love Larry Page and Sergey Binn to file a DMCA copyright complaint to remove their images from this blog - but they may well then have a hard time explaining why they did not remove our images when asked.

Brian Goudie - Understanding Internet Harassment

Brian Goudie

Over the next few months I will be posting on this blog and documenting my experience with what can only be described as an ongoing coordinated campaign of internet harassment, and I intend to document my own personal experiences, as well as my now ongoing battle with Google,

Firstly, what is internet harassment? There is no clear definition, but according to Wiki Cyber Stallking and Internet Harassment has a wide range of different ways of manifesting.

In my case, it all started off when a journalist wrote a story about me in September 2012 - the journalist in question is now a convicted criminal and in the next few weeks is facing dozens of criminal charges.

My case is not unique, I have two close friends who have also been attacked. My good friend David Hanks was also attacked.

David Hanks

In my case, dozens of fake photos have been posted all over the internet along with dozens of allegations that my friend refers to as a 'myriad of lies'.

Initially it was very embarassing, especially the fake photos,  and did a great deal of damage to my life and business - now the harassment continues, but I have learned how to deal with it - criminal prosecution of the people involved.

For many months, I was subjected to a vicious campaign of harassment and intimidation, with death threats, threats of physical violence, fake profiles being set up in my name on Facebook, Wordpress, Google Plus, Blogger - everywhere!

Then these 'trolls' started sending messages and emails to my friends and family - at the same time the 'journalist' wrote over 100 articles witten on a 'news' website.

I took the owner of the 'news' site to Court, and the harassment increased, with the fake profiles commenting on the 'news'  site also leaving comments on my Facebook, Google Plus and Blogger posts. Many of the comments can only be described as disgusting.

Then, all the fake profiles started using the fake photos in their profiles, and postimg them in Google Plus albums, with backlinks and tags to my profile - this is still going on, but the trolls are now much more careful masking their locations and IP addresses.

The whole campaign of internet harassment centred around the 'news' site, and all the posters on the 'news' site would also post on my Blogger and Facebook.

I stayed quiet and took the advice of many to try to ignore it and report it to Google - and it got worse!

The accusations and names and threats I wont repeat here, but in months to come the details will be reported as the Court proceedings progress.

And what did Google do when I reported all of this - nothing! I received the same standard response every time - Google is not a mediator of content.

But what of Google? Google will try to tell you they are not responsible for the content, but a number of Court cases around the world have shaken that presumption, a recent example of which in the UK is Tamiz v Google and in Trijulka v Google in Australia.

Because internet harassment is a new area of law, many jurisdictions are ill equipped to deal with it, although in jurisdictions I am interested in, the UK, Thailand and Australia news laws such as amendments to the Prevention of Harassment Act (UK) and the Computer Crimes Act (Thailand) are starting to address the issue.

In the US, the Communications Decency Act makes much of the conduct I will write about is now a US Federal Offence.

And today many thanks to +Spinosa +knutsa01 +Ally +samthai +theweapon +jules without whom my case against Google would not be possible.

To be continued.

Brian Goudie.
25th May 2014

Internet Harassment - Taking on Google

Most readers of this blog know that I am involved in extensive litigation with Andrew Drummond, a journalist resident in Bangkok.

Andrew Drummond is a convicted criminal, after being convicted of the criminal defamation of  Drew Noyes and David Hanks in Pattaya earlier this year. Drummond was sentenced to four months in jail (suspended for one year).

Drummond has a number of criminal cases pending (and I have it on good advice another one was filed today in Pattaya Court).

Drummond operates a site hosted by Google on Blogger using a custom URL.

Over the past few weeks, my friends David Hanks, Drew Noyes and I have been subjected to an incredible campaign of internet harassment, and we have decided to take decisive action to put a stop to it.

David, Drew and I have had articles posted on the internet, then swathes of disgraceful comments are made by anonymous posters. These posters hide behind internet profiles with made up names such as Tommy Truthsearcher, Jules, Sam Kane, Ally, Sam Thai, The Weapon, Knutsa01 - all spend all their time making comments and threats from the comfort of their anonymous internet connections.

Fake Facebook profiles, fake Wordpress blogs, fake Blogger sites, fake Google Plus profiles - the lot!

It comes under the umbrella name of 'internet harrassment' or 'cyber harrassment'. It is a criminal offence in most countries, but difficult to identify offenders.

Now ask the question - why do they use fake untraceable accounts with fake photoshopped profile photos?

There are two reasons, firstly they are low life cowardly scum bags who would never challenge face to face, and secondly they know if they can be identified we will prosecute them under Thailand's Computer Crimes Act, or the UK Prevention of Harassment Act, or the Defamation Act in Australia.

People subjected to internet harassment are normally advised to document all the emails, messages, threats and posts and for weeks on end that is what David and I have been doing - the reason?

The reason is that David Hanks and I this morning instructed our lawyers to file dozens of criminal charges against Google Inc and Google Thailand, as the owners of Blogger,  in Central Bangkok Criminal Court.

Google are to be prosecuted for a wide range of criminal offences, including providing internet services to third parties posting defamation, harassment, threats and use of fake photoshopped images.

Blogger

Google are being sued as a 'service provider', for allowing third parties to post unlawful material, and failing to remove it when notified - this is a criminal offence in Thailand under Thailand's tough Computer Crimes Act in fact it is a criminal offence in most countries.

We have also instructed our lawyers to file charges against Larry Page and Sergey Binn personally.

Sergey Binn

Larry Page

One of the main issues in the case is the ease with which Google allows fake profiles to be used to set up hate blogs.

Google and Blogger are protected to some degree in the US from defamation suits, but there is no protection from internet harassment, 47 U.S. Code § 223, makes it justiciable if a service provider allows internet harassment to continue.

Google have already lose defamation cases in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, France and Germany - and just last week in the European Court of Justice in the 'right to be forgotten case'.

We three are all realistic, and we know that we are taking on Google, an internet behemoth, but we have no choice - we must fight back.

We are extremely fortunate to have been offered assistance by a well know 'internet consultant' who has had running battles with Google for some time, and his involvement will be announced later in the month as the proceedings start to move.

The proceedings in Thailand are just the start, tandem proceedings are expected in the US, UK and Australia - we are going to be busy.

And before Drummond and his supporters start screaming and cackling - yes we know what we are doing, and who we are taking on, and how much money they have.

In fact, one of the lawyers laughed this morning and said this will be a real David (Hanks) and Goliath battle.

David and Goliath